I had tried the Karma Velour Black Grip a while ago and did not like it too much. Seemed slick. I ended up going with the Karma Revolution for my own clubs since I go with logo down on my grips anyway. A friend wanted to get his clubs regripped and he chose the Karma Black/White. I do not know what the difference is between these and the Black but they are much better and feel more akin to a Lamkin Crossline or Golf Pride Tour Velvet. Bought some more for myself. Put it on a few of my new clubs. Like them a lot!